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Stop HR 888 - Dominionist Lies about History

Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 02:53:36 PM PDT

Maybe because lying us into the modern Crusades, lying about global warming, lying about pollution, lying about our health and threats to it, and even lying about their own proselytizing under the guise of "faith-based initiatives" wasn't enough, now the American Dominionists (sounds so much better than fascist or Taliban, doesn't it?) are trying to pass House Resolution 888.

But, wait! The description of this resolution sounds all warm, fuzzy, and Godly. How could it be bad?

"Affirming the rich spiritual and religious history of our Nation's founding and subsequent history and expressing support for designation of the first week in May as 'American Religious History Week' for the appreciation of and education on America's history of religious faith."

If that's all it did, it would be just another harmless waste of congress's time, like supporting the makers of Peeps. HR 888 is actually a pack of lies put together by Christian Nationalists in an attempt to enter falsified American history into the congressional record.

I first heard about this over at the KOS. In today's diary on this subject, Troutfishing asks that smaller blogs pick this up, and I was surprised no one over here had anything to say about it (that I could find).

Christian Nationalists seek to make the US a "Christian Nation." Despite the obvious problems with introducing lies into the congressional record, we should look at the deeper motives of those who are attempting to place those lies there, and in as many other places as they can. It is a blatant attempt by these people to convince Americans, wrongly, that the founding fathers intended for the US to be a Christian Nation.

This is from George Grant, in Changing of the Guard:

"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ -- to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness. But it is dominion we are after. Not just a voice.  It is dominion we are after. Not just influence. It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time. It is dominion we are after. World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish."

If the name George Grant sounds familiar, that's because he co-wrote the book Kids Who Kill with Iowa Republican caucus winner Mike Huckabee. Odd that no MSM has asked Huckabee if he share's Grant's views.

Steve Hotze, who has raised funds for Huckabee, is another familiar name to these theocrats. Hotze actually signed a manifesto that included these little nuggets of Dominionist wisdom:

  • A wife may work outside the home only with her husband's consent
  • "Biblical spanking" that results in "temporary or superficial bruises or welts" should not be considered a crime
  • No doctor shall provide medical service on the Sabbath
  • Medical problems are frequently caused by personal sin
  • Doctors have a priestly calling
  • Physicians should preach to their patients because salvation is the key to their health.

The medical angle is particularly disturbing in light of this SP Diary by br t: Abusing Children in the Name of God.

Gaining dominion over this country (and its vast military might, as documented by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation) is no easy task, and could never be accomplished without a big dose of propaganda. Since most of their lies about American history have been so much preaching (and book selling) to their already duped followers, they need to catapult the propaganda. What better way to heave the exploding showers of stone behind the walls of secularism than to pass a resolution in the US House of Representatives?

For a line-item debunking of this garbage, see Chris Rodda's article from last week: Think the "Christmas Resolution" was Bad? Check Out H. Res. 888.

I hope that the kind, sane, loving people here will recognize this resolution for what it is: blatant lies about American history and the great men who wanted to create a country where no religion has dominion over man.


Tags: HR 888, Christian Nationalists, Dominion, Dominionists, American History (all tags)

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  • upshot? (5+ / 0-)

    What is the upshot of this?  Is this another useless bill so they don't have to do anything useful or are we actually going to drift into a Christian fascist state from it?

    Shekah

    I subscribe to the birders rule as it applies to religion: if there is a discrepancy between the book and the bird, believe the bird.

    by bristlecone77 on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 03:02:48 PM PDT

    • Well, it's a catapult (8+ / 0-)

      for their propaganda.

      It puts their lies about American History in the congressional record, which would be a big deal for them. They would then use the fact that it was published in the record as some sort of "proof" that it's true.

      The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not.-Eric Hoffer

      by supak on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 03:17:22 PM PDT

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      • Rather than pissing our collective pants, (8+ / 0-)

        over what is little more than an election-year hometown newspaper stunt, let's look at what's actually going on:

        • Twenty-one cosponsors; not even enough, if they all sat on the committee where it was referred, to report it out of committee without an assist from the chairman.
        • Who's the chairman of the committee to which this piece of legislation was referred?  Henry Waxman.  As much as you may disagree with some aspects of his chairmanship (i.e., the subpoenas to White House staffers), not even a wild-eyed Sam Harris foaming over the control of "Christofascists" or "The G-d Delusion" would think that this resolution stood any chance of becoming anything remotely resembling law.
        • Finally, if there's no chance to actually pass this resolution, why was it submitted?  I can think of two reasons:  First, the sponsors may actually believe in what the bill says.  Good for them, they get to think that, and since they're members of Congress, they even get to say so in Congress.  Second, they could NOT believe it, and think (rightly or wrongly) that getting re-elected in their districts require stunts like this.  This resolution is for nobody except small-circulation dailies and weeklies in the home district of the sponsor, to fill column-inches on a slow news day.

        So do us all a favor and relax.  I promise, if this is something that, you know, mattered, we would be all over it.

        "This is nothing less than a battle for America's soul." - Jimmy Carter, 2004 DNC

        by Matthew Krell on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 03:39:32 PM PDT

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  • Cookies... (14+ / 0-)

    Even though I lose my appetite over this stuff.

    The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not.-Eric Hoffer

    by supak on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 03:18:06 PM PDT

  • There are all sorts of exceptions (8+ / 0-)

    to the rules in the Bible - the ones that allow emergencies to be dealt with, and a whole lot of other stuff.  You know, practical, day-to-day living stuff that can happen on any holy day.  Sickness and childbirth come easily to mind.  Of course, many long years ago I knew an orthodox Jewish couple that my first husband ended up driving to the hospital because their first decided Yom Kippur was a perfect day to be born.

  • kingdoms (2+ / 0-)

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    Richard Bowser, vgranucci

    The words of Isaac Backus (1724-1806) in An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, Against the Oppressions of the Present Day speaks to some of us today.

    "Happy the generation where the great listen to the small, for it follows that in such a generation the small will listen to the great" Hebrew Proverb

    by standingfirm on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:58:15 AM PDT

    • This sounds both interesting and worthwhile (1+ / 0-)

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      Vagrarian

      I know Isaac Backus' sermon was a pivotal influence in establishing the principle of separation of Church and State.  I have not been able to access the full text in a preliminary internet search.  However, a bit more expansion on this topic would be very welcome.


      May God bless EVERYONE.

      by Richard Bowser on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:33:52 AM PDT

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    • What a great find! Thank you! (1+ / 0-)

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      standingfirm

      Here's the whole piece, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty. It's very interesting. I haven't read the whole thing yet, but already I'm enjoying the liberalness of it:

      The true liberty of man is, to know, obey and enjoy his Creator, and to do all the good unto, and enjoy all the happiness with and in his fellow-creatures that he is capable of; in order to which the law of love was written in his heart, which carries in it's nature union and benevolence to being in general, and to each being in particular, according to it's nature and excellency, and to it's relation and connexion to and with the supreme Being, and ourselves. Each rational soul, as he is a part of the whole system of rational beings, so it was and is, both his duty and his liberty to regard the good of the whole in all his actions. To love ourselves, and truly to seek our own welfare, is both our liberty and our indispensible duty; but the conceit that man could advance either his honor or happiness, by disobedience instead of obedience, was first injected by the father of lies, and all such conceits ever since are as false as he is.

      Sounds like a true believer in the "common good" which would be, almost by definition, anti-dominionist. Thanks for that, standing firm! I came to this site hoping to enhance my point of view with an education from the religious left!

      The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not.-Eric Hoffer

      by supak on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:45:00 PM PDT

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      • thanks for posting that supak (1+ / 0-)

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        supak

        I have a stomach thing so i am lazing around a bit.

        Backus preached a few towns over from me. I have been interested in his writings for quite a while now.

        Backus suggested also that America could never become in spirit a true Christian nation until complete separation between church and state had been secured. He was called a traitor and a call went up for him to be hanged when he stood against "patriotic" Christians while he himself was serving as a Baptist agent at the 1774 Continental Congress.

        "Religious matters are to be separated from the jurisdiction of the state not because they are beneath the interests of the state, but, quite to the contrary, because they are too high and holy and thus are beyond the competence of the state"

        "Now who can hear Christ declare that his kingdom is not of this world, and yet believe that this blending of church and state together can be pleasing to him?"

        Backus soon realized that the measure of control that the official state church had over the civil government of the state abridged the freedoms of non-official religious groups. The legislature compelled every town to set up and maintain a state church and to hire and provide for a minister holding an academic degree, all funded by the taxes of citizens regardless of religious affiliation. Those who refused to pay the tax were subject to punishment by the state through its agent, the local state congregation, including the seizure of personal property and imprisonment.

        Backus believed this blending of church and state denied each person the right to worship God in the way he or she saw fit, and equated the support of a state church with the British actions that the Massachusetts legislature condemned. He maintained that the freedom of conscience, including the freedom of religion, was a central theme not only in the Scriptures but also in the liberal tradition. In 1774 Backus instructed the delegates to the First Congress on the importance of religious freedom and also served as a delegate from Middleborough to the Massachusetts convention that ratified the Constitution in 1788.

        [When] church and state are separate, the effects are happy, and they do not at all interfere with each other: but where they have been confounded together, no tongue nor pen can fully describe the mischiefs that have ensued. -- Isaac Backus

        "Happy the generation where the great listen to the small, for it follows that in such a generation the small will listen to the great" Hebrew Proverb

        by standingfirm on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:09:41 PM PDT

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