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John McCain's Religion

Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:28:38 PM PDT

Expect to see lots of headlines like this one between now and November: McCain Keeps His Faith to Himself, at Church and in Campaign. Or like this: McCain doesn't put his faith out front. The campaign has pretty obviously decided to finesse McCain's history of refusing to be The Second Coming of George W. Bush* by not pandering to the Religious Right. They're going to do it just the way you see in those headlines: oh yes, McCain is a religious guy, he just doesn't like to wear it on his sleeve, unlike those shallow not-Christians Obama and Clinton.

We know how well that strategy worked for John Kerry. It'll be interesting to see if it works any better for McCain. He's certain to get a friendlier media narrative out of it than Kerry ever did.

I will give McCain props for this story, as related by the Bloomberg piece:

In Vietnam, a pared-down church service provided some routine in captivity. As the senior lieutenant in his Hanoi cell block, McCain led an 11 a.m. Sunday service after the prisoners' morning meal of "weed soup,'' said Swindle, a former commissioner on the Federal Trade Commission who is advising McCain's campaign.

When the guards had cleared, the senior officer would cough or tap the letter "c,'' signaling to other captives that it was time to worship. The service began by reciting the 23rd Psalm, though "we did it in the plural,'' said Swindle, "so it was 'Yea, though we walk through the valley of the shadow of death, we will fear no evil.'''

I love that bit about the 23rd Psalm, it seems very appropriate to the context.

By itself, of course, this wouldn't work. There are too many red-meat Republican evangelicals out there. So the McCain campaign is going to pair his personal narrative with a political one. CBN's David Brody quotes RNC Deputy Chair Frank Donatelli to that effect:

“All I can say is that it will be aggressive. Senator McCain’s aides at all levels will be talking to pro-family groups. Senator McCain himself will engage with pro-family groups. The problem with the DNC outreach is the party that embraces abortion on demand and retreating in the face of our enemies I would think would have a great deal of difficulty reaching pro-family voters.”

“We are going to have a very aggressive program to reach out to religious voters whether they are Evangelical, Protestant, Catholic or whatever. That is a staple of our campaign because what we find is that the most religious voters certainly in terms of Church attendance tend to vote Republican more than the general public. There are a lot of voters there for us. The senator’s team has been meeting with these (pro-family) groups. He has conducted some meetings and he’ll continue to have such meetings. I think the test here is what we are saying in terms of issues. The issues that are of concern to religious voters namely winning the war on terror and appointing and supporting judges to the federal bench that will interpret the constitution and not make social policy, those are bedrock issues as far as Senator McCain is concerned. I believe that as the campaign goes on this will become more and more evident. We’ve got plenty of time here, lots of time for meetings and interaction and I just believe that as we go forward that the groups you’re talking about will become more and more comfortable with our campaign.”

Ordinarily, I'd rip Donatelli a new one for equating faith with the "pro-family" agenda. But in this case, his comments are fairly easily translated. There is a demographic within the GOP (IIRC, about 10-15%) who are hyper-vigilant on these issues. Those are the so-called "values voters," and they really do put abortion and homosexuality at the top of their agenda. So Donatelli is signaling them: we hear you, and we won't forget you when the time is right.

Again, we'll have to wait and see how well that works.

*Which of course would make him the Third Coming of Ronald Reagan.

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  • Irony (4+ / 0-)

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    Something advertisers and PR folks know all too well is that people associate things they hear together. So the irony is that the more he says "I'm religious but don't wear it on my sleeve," the less effective the approach becomes.

    Doug.

    Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

    by risasperson on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:34:25 PM PDT

  • facing a values shift (4+ / 0-)

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    Ok, this may be wishful thinking on my part, BUT....

    It seems that all the democratic talk about religious values has paid off.  Democrats increased the number of values talked about.  Here John and Elizabeth Edwards, Dean, Dodd, Biden and Gravel helped. The debates have widened the definitions.  McCain's approach avoids the discussion, while throwing a bone to the RR.  McCain doesn't quite have the same sparkle on poverty, environmental problems, healthcare, etc.

    My more cynical side, wonders if the corporate media gave more time to the black man and the white woman with the hope that neither could win against a white male.  I sincerely hope that they are wrong; but it is a good strategy among some people.

    But, Time magazine claims: "THere can only be one" on their cover, with a picture of HRC and BO. What a conservative frame! Does it ever occur to others, that these folks will have to work together when the dust settles?

  • I wonder how Religious Right voters... (5+ / 0-)

    will view the fact that McCain doesn't think enough of his Christian faith to even be baptized in it or to commit himself to it ?

    From the Bloomberg story PD links to above...

    John McCain's pastor ends his sermons with an altar call, beckoning any stirred souls to the front of his 3,500-seat``worship center'' to publicly dedicate their lives to Jesus Christ. In McCain's 15 years of attending Dan Yeary's North Phoenix Baptist Church, the pastor says, the Arizona senator has never made that walk. [...]

    While McCain, 71, describes Yeary as his family pastor, Yeary said the senator -- who was christened an Episcopalian -- isn't a full member of his church because he has never undergone the adult baptism that membership requires.

    It's one thing to not wear your faith on your sleeve, but to not technically even be a member of a Christian denomination might not energize the Religious Right base like he needs to.

    • There are many folks who attend Evangelical (3+ / 0-)

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      and Baptist churches who still believe their infant baptism had effacy. My MIL was PISSED that my wife was re-baptized as an adult after I was baptized - and my wife realized that she had never made that public expression herself.

      The Baptists require adult baptism for membership - however none of the Evangelical/Bible churches I have attended have any such requirement since we believe it is a public expression of a commitment, and not a sacrament. However, certainly I would find myself very comfortable worshiping at a Baptist church (although I have been baptized as an adult).

      Also, you are only "reborn" once - why would McCain make that walk? Indeed, I "made that walk" at a business conference non-denominational service in Spokane, Wa. No pastor of any church I have ever attended would have seen me make that walk.

      SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

      by JCHFleetguy on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:35:28 PM PDT

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      • It's his pastor (4+ / 0-)

        that pointed out that he's never made the walk and it's his church that says full membership requires adult baptism. All I'm saying is that with a certain percentage of conservative religious voters this kind of stuff will probably be a issue. Just like Obama getting flak for not wearing a flag on his lapel, thus in some conservative eyes demonstrating a precieved lack of patriotism, some conservative voters will point to this reluntance by McCain to wear his faith on his sleeve as a demonstration that he lacks real commitment to his religion.

        Heck, in last weeks Penn. primary nearly 100,000 voters went with Huckabee over McCain... and Huckabee's not even in the race anymore. That strikes me as more or less a protest vote against McCain by conservative Religious Right voters that aren't comfortable with McCains commitment to their cause. Not answering altar calls at his church and not being baptized as a adult for full memebership in his faith isn't going to smooth things over with these folks that aren't all thaty comfortable with him to begin with.

        • I do not know if you are part of a church (3+ / 0-)

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          tradition that has altar calls or not - that his pastor for the last 15 of his 71 years has never seen him respond to one is meaningless. You, IMHO, can only crucify the "old man" once. You only take that walk once in your life.

          My pastors of the last 12 years have never seen me make one either. I wonder about a pastor who would even speculate on such a thing publicly about a congregant. Odd that really.

          Adult baptism is a different issue. Certainly McCain, if he hasn't been baptised as an adult, cannot join a Baptist church.

          SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

          by JCHFleetguy on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 07:32:17 AM PDT

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          • Again... (1+ / 0-)

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            it's his pastor who brought it up. I'm just noting it.

            Personally, I don't give a damn if he's made the walk or not, or been baptized. It's to the many in the Religious Right block of voters (your people JCHFleetguy) that he needs onboard the Straight Talk Express that this kind of stuff matters to. As evidenced by the LARGE number of conservative religious voters who voted against him in Penn. this is probably just one of the many issues that garners him less than solid support from that group.

            That's fine with me. I'm delighted!!!! I hope he keeps alienating a percentage of them. He needs ALL of them onboard if he ever hopes to win and so far he ain't getting them.

            He ONLY got 73% of the vote in Penn. where he had no active candidate running against him. He doesn't even have solid support within his own party much less with the rest of the country.

            ...more than 800,000 Pennsylvanians took Republican ballots. That's only about a third as many as voted in the Democratic primary, but its still a significant GOP turnout.

            And a significant portion of that GOP turnout rejected the man who will carry the Republican banner in November.

            McCain finished with an uninspiring 73 percent of the vote Tuesday.

            Paul got 16 percent.

            Huckabee's non-candidacy took 11 percent.

            When all the Republican votes were counted, more than 200,000 ended up in the columns of what can best be described as the Anybody-but-McCain candidates.

            A double digit number of conservative religious voters in Penn. rejected McCain for someone who is not even running. WOW!!! Anyone care to explain THAT?

            The media narrative is that the Dems are going to have big problems getting the party back together after this fractious primary fight. Well it looks like the republicans can't even get their traditional coalitions together and they don't even have a primary fight going on.

            • Sigh (3+ / 0-)

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              Hey, you do not have to look there to find the disconnect with McCain and political and religious conservatives - he won the nomination against the ardent opposition of both.

              Just read this piece by George Will on the anti-democracy of McCain-Feingold - and his laying at the feet of Senator McCain.

              John McCain bears principal responsibility for legitimizing the idea that government should have broad powers to regulate political activity in the name of combating corruption. If his wanderings take him to Parker North, he can make partial amends by congratulating the Parker Six on defeating annexation, and by endorsing their federal lawsuit, which is supported by the libertarian Institute for Justice, to overturn Colorado's regulations as unconstitutional burdens on the exercise of fundamental rights. That last might be too much straight talk to expect from the perpetrator of McCain-Feingold's restrictions on the quantity, timing and content of political speech.
              What I am trying to say: mentioning this to my ilk is just going to make the mentioner look bad - as well as McCain's pastor - and not really mess with McCain.

              Do you really think theologically Conservative Christians are going to pick the black liberation theology of Trinity over McCain's lukewarm Christianity? Really? Do you think wondering why McCain hasn't answered altar calls (that plural) between the age of 56 and 71 isn't going make more people of my type laugh rather than turn against McCain? How many altar calls has Senator Obama answered in the last 15 years?

              You probably ought to avoid focus on church attendance and theology as a general election tool in this election.

              SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

              by JCHFleetguy on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:06:52 AM PDT

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              • Yes, sigh.... (2+ / 0-)

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                ....you still haven't explained why in double digit numbers conservative republican religious voters continue to reject McCain. Most recently in the Penn. republican primary.

                Do you really think theologically Conservative Christians are going to pick the black liberation theology of Trinity over McCain's lukewarm Christianity? Really?

                No, I think they'll stay home, like they've done before, rather than vote for someone they view as not completely in tune with them. Like they did with George Bush the first. Or maybe write in Huckabee, since a large number of your "ilk" (you term not mine) continued to support the Huckster in Penn. By the way nice move to continue to work in the "black" angle. Keep that race thing going. Nice.  

                Do you think wondering why McCain hasn't answered altar calls (that plural) between the age of 56 and 71 isn't going make more people of my type laugh rather than turn against McCain?

                For some freakin reason that you continue to not attempt to explain, over 90,000 of them already did "turn against" him in the Penn primary. I have no idea if they were laughing at him for this kind of stuff or simply rejecting him for other kind of stuff that offends them. I don't know. Why don't you try and tell me why???? Either way they were so dissatisfied, they chose to support someone who's NOT EVEN RUNNING. Care to explain that??????.

                How many altar calls has Senator Obama answered in the last 15 years?

                As I've already said, that stuff doesn't matter to me or probably many on the progressive side of this thing. It does seem to matter to many churches who require adult baptism for full membership or to his own pastor, who felt the need to point it out.

                I suggest you bring it up with them, since they're the ones who noted it.

                I'll continue to wait for response as to WHY so many of the Religious Right continue to reject McCain.

                Aaaah, never mind. Jame Dobson explains it better than I think you could...

                He has angered some religious conservatives by supporting federal funding for stem cell research and with his nuanced position on gay marriage. (He opposes same-sex marriage, but does not believe a constitutional amendment is necessary because he sees it as a state issue.)

                James C. Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, raised those issues when he told the Wall Street Journal in early April that McCain "seems intent" on driving religious conservatives away by not reaching out to "pro-family leaders" or changing "any of the positions that have troubled them."

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                  if you think McCain is going to win the general election with the less than enthusiastic support that he has from the Religious Right, I'd say your wrong. The electoral map already doesn't support his effort and having luke warm support of the christian right will only hurt matters more for him. He needs EVERYONE onboard from his traditional coalition to get elected and so far he failing in getting them to do that.

                • Explain what? (1+ / 0-)

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                  you still haven't explained why in double digit numbers conservative republican religious voters continue to reject McCain. Most recently in the Penn. republican primary.

                  McCain's issues with Evangelicals are ancient and long-standing - there is nothing new here to explain. It is difficult to argue that they are doing this for any other reason than a vote of conscience - when the outcome is not in doubt.

                  You assume the Democratic coalition will pull itself together after the Clinton-Obama primaries - that may be as much in issue really. After all, many have gotten to the point where the only reason they would vote for Obama or Clinton is because they are voting against McCain. Why do you assume the Evangelical voters, and conservatives, will not choke down their bile and do the same - just as the Obama and Clinton voters will if the other one wins the nomination.

                  By the way nice move to continue to work in the "black" angle. Keep that race thing going. Nice.

                  This is just one of the stupidest and most insulting things you have ever said to me - but I will still deal with it: The black liberation theology of Cone, etc. [all one thing - not just the "black angle"] is, IMHO (and the Bible's, and my ilk's] really just heretical. Period. That is the name it's adherents use (I didnt make this stuff up did I?) - so I could only remove "black" from its name at the risk of getting it confused with the non-racially based (and therefore non-racist) versions of liberation theology.

                  The point is: Evangelicals are not going to have a positive theological choice to attach to now so they are going to have to make a political choice - and that opens up the discussion quite a bit. By you forcing the discussion back into McCain's religion, or lack thereof, you also push the continued examination of Obama's and Clinton's religion. If you keep pushing them back to a theological choice (and there is no one to vote for) - who are they most likely to vote against theologically:

                  • Obama
                  • Clinton
                  • McCain



                  This line of discussion doesn't really work for Obama I think

                  This is not a theological position that is going to attract Evangelical voters.

                  SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

                  by JCHFleetguy on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:21:03 PM PDT

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                  • I'm not pushing it anywhere.... (0 / 0)

                    I'm simply noting that a fairly large portion of the Religious Right still refuses to get onboard the Double Talk Express. They are either at the moment voting for candidates that aren't even running or staying home as evidenced by the Penn. numbers. Historically the Religious Right loves candidates that wear their religion on their sleeves. People Like Robertson, when he ran, Bush, who repeatedly listed Jesus as his most influencial figure in his life and Huckabee, who's an ordained minister. They love and support candidates who wear their religion on their sleeve. Does this mean they'll go to Obama or Clinton over the religious stealth candidacy of McCain? NO, it doesn't. But, the lack of commited, excited support from the Religious Right for McCain from not only their leaders (Dobson, etc) but also from the grassroots indicates they'll either stay home or support a third party candidate of some kind. They won't go and vote in the numbers neccesary for aMcCain who's wishy-washy on gay marriage and stem cell research. Unless McCain gets the Religious Right voters in the numbers Bush did he won't win and so far as the Penn primary results indicate he's losing double digit numbers of them.

              • excuse me (2+ / 0-)

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                this may be a tangent here, but did you watch Bill Moyers on Friday night to get the real scoop on Jeremiah Wright?  He's an extremely intelligent and well-educated man.  His take is not black liberation theology, but that Christ speaks in the voice of many cultures, and it's been his job to bring the church back to life for the poor and dispossessed of his own people.  I was very impressed with him.

                There is a crack, a crack in everything That's how the light gets in. --Leonard Cohen

                by Delia on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:17:40 PM PDT

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                • Have you read David Cone (1+ / 0-)

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                  who Wright keeps mentioning?

                  We are well into the "spin zone" on this one now.

                  Besides, when did the church leave the life of black Americans?

                  SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

                  by JCHFleetguy on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:23:53 PM PDT

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                  • Read the transcript, (2+ / 0-)

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                    you'll see what she's talking about.

                  • one topic of the discussion (2+ / 0-)

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                    in the sixties many black militants considered Christianity a "slave" religion for African-Americans, preferring Islam. Wright was working against that.  He was deeply influenced by Martin Marty to make the church involved in many ministries of everyday lives of people in a very poverty stricken area of Chicago.

                    You really should watch the video of the interview.  it's extraordinary.

                    And I'd never understood how the two parts of Psalm 137 fit together until he talked about it.

                    There is a crack, a crack in everything That's how the light gets in. --Leonard Cohen

                    by Delia on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 07:00:52 PM PDT

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                    • Thanks Delia... (0 / 0)

                      great stuff.

                    • It is funny how divergent threads (1+ / 0-)

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                      come together at the same time for me. You might be interested in this post tracing the roots of the "curse of Ham" justifications for enslaving black Africans.

                      As well as this one outlining the African roots of Christianity (Part two here)

                      I have watched the interview. I think Trinity has done great things in South Chicago; and I do not subscribe terrible intent or action to Wright. However, I am an Evangelical and I think right belief and teaching is as important as right action. I know that theological liberals usually would flip the importance of those two items.

                      My comment was about the theology embedded in black liberation theology - especially the version put forward by James Cone which Trinity explicitly says its teachings are based on.

                      However, my difficulty with black "nationalism" goes way back into my radical past - indeed into the same era Wright is talking about. That is why Malcolm X (post-Hadj) is one of my heroes - race is not a suitable grounding for national identity.
                       

                      SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

                      by JCHFleetguy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:51:26 AM PDT

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                      • Who gets to determine.... (1+ / 0-)

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                        what is "right belief and teaching?"

                        Was the inquisition considered "right belief and teaching? Was the silence from many Christian churches on slavery considered "right belief and teaching?" I'm not trying to be difficult, it just anything that fallible man decides is "right" often time changes when new information becomes available. For instance it was considered "right"  for centuries that the earth was flat ot that the Sun revolved around the earth. People we're put to death for disagreeing with that "right" teaching. There are things today that we regard as right that in future years people will wonder how the hell did we ever believe that. Heck, the teaching of Christianity was considered "right" for a looooooong time before Martin Luther came along. One man's right is another man's wrong. Hey, again, I know me and you go around and around on some things and I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just trying to understand this concept that there is only one right way to Christian teaching and understanding. And who get's to decide that. Didn't Christ himself revolt against the supposed "right" ways of the scribes and the pharisees? Personally I believe God talks to us all in different ways.  

                        • I actually didnt say (0 / 0)

                          who decided - or that there is one right way.

                          Each person decides - but the point that started this is that, in general, if the Evangelical Christians who have previously voted Republican are going to choose between McCain's wishy-washy religion and black liberation theology - they will generally pick the wishy-wishy Baptist over James Cone. These are people who do believe there is "right theology" and "both black or white" is part of their theological stance (whatever their personal practice)

                          McCain, of course, got the nomination without the help of the "religious right"; and I probably agree that if they do not hold their nose and get on board he will lose in November. I say probably because McCain is drawing some folks more to the center than the Bush coalition.

                          SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

                          by JCHFleetguy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:30:33 PM PDT

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                        • So, just a little quote (0 / 0)

                          from something quoted by PD:

                          Trinity United Church of Christ's Web site says its teachings are based on the black liberation theology of James H. Cone and his 1969 book "Black Theology and Black Power."

                          "What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love," Mr. Cone wrote in the book.

                          Mr. Cone, a professor at the Union Theological Seminary in New York, added that "black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

                          I actually thought of you first when I first read this because of your insistence that God's love is really the only issue for Christians. How do you reconcile Cone's position, and therefore Trinity's in explicitly basing its teachings on this theological view?

                          SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

                          by JCHFleetguy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:42:22 PM PDT

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    • AFAIK, (3+ / 0-)

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      nobody's ever asked him the question, but it's highly likely he was baptized as an infant in the Episcopal church.

    • br t, please stop... (2+ / 0-)

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      with your info that,

      " McCain doesn't think enough of his Christian faith to even be baptized in it or to commit himself to it"

      Compared to the seemingly indomitable Democratic duo's stances on religion you are making McCain seem more attractive to this non believer were I
      to place "religious value issues" at the top of my voting agenda.

      • kleinem, it's McCain's own pastor... (1+ / 0-)

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        that felt the need to point out that he's never made the walk and it's McCain's church that says full membership requires adult baptism. Take it up with his pastor and his church if you got a problem with it. There's a reason why Mr. Less Than Straight Talk is having problems with his own religious constituencies and it's legitimate to look at these as maybe being some of the reasons why.

        But fell free to talk about the...

        ... seemingly indomitable Democratic duo's stances on religion

        Whatever the hell that means?

        • br t: "Whatever the hell that means" (0 / 0)

          It simply means that both, but especially Obama, seem to be much more entwined with religion than suits my taste for a presidential candidate for all the people

          • Well kleinem then vote for... (0 / 0)

            what amounts to another four year term for George Bush. Polls disapproving of Bush's performance and polls indicating that people feel this country is on the wrong track are at RECORD HIGHS. I'm not sure why anyone would want us to continue on that course ????? Because he less religious?

            You'll never know where Mr. John "Flip Flop" McCain stands but hey at least he's not religious.

            He's against the Bush tax cuts for moral reasons .... now he's for the Bush tax cuts.

            He's against torture he says.... but won't vote against torture.

            He says he's for the troops.... but then doesn't support the new GI bill to help them.

            He calls the Religious Right "agents of intolerance" ....but now warmly embraces them.

            That's right kleinem, John McCain now warmly embraces some of the most radical "agents of intolerance" (McCain's own words) of the Christian Right.

            If your sole criteria is that he's less religious than Obama or Hillary then yeah, I guess he's your guy.

            Good Luck.

  • "Third Coming of Ronald Reagan"? (2+ / 0-)

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    Doesn't that make him a cockroach?

    Thwarting the forces of conservatism since 1978.

    by wiscmass on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 07:34:38 AM PDT

    • I have a Reagan religion story (1+ / 0-)

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      In the mid-eighties I attended Westwood Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles.  Our nearby sister congregation was Brentwood Presbyterian, which was Reagan's official home church while he was President.  Both of them were very vital, active churches that did a lot of good, and I assume they still are.  Anyhow, one time Brentwood Pres got the notice that Ronnie was in California and would be coming to church the next Sunday, so the congregation should be prepared for the full monte of Secret Service, etc.  It was announced at our church as well, for some reason.  Big suspense.  Everyone on high alert.  The Sunday came and went.  No Ronald Reagan.  Never mind.  The people at Brentwood Pres just laughed.  They said Reagan's membership there was sort of a longstanding joke, and he rarely, if ever, showed up.

      There is a crack, a crack in everything That's how the light gets in. --Leonard Cohen

      by Delia on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 07:13:02 PM PDT

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