Street Prophets

Reverend Wright

by ek hornbeck

Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:27:40 PM PDT

I'm pretty angry tonight.  People are being stupider than usual and if you know my general attitude toward humanity you know that's saying something.  The source of my discontent this evening is, of course, the incestuous Beltway Bendover for Ass Access Butt Sniffing Feces Flinging Media and their Hollywood for the Ugly Uncle Brother Wife Sisters in the institutional political class.  

Reverend Wright IS Right!

Crossposted as The Stars Hollow Gazette @ DocuDharma

Never heard a preacher like Reverend Wright before?  Did you sanctimonious morons ever GO to Church or are you Christmas/Easter Christians?  Can't remember the last time?  You're going to burn in hellfire for eternity you GOD DAMN SINNERS!

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED RELIGION!

NOBODY is worthy to sit at the feet of the Lord your God.  You were "conceived in sin (disobedience)" which is why SEX IS EVIL!  There is not a one among that doesn't offend the sight (not to say smell, for you stink of death and corruption) of your vengeful jealous GOD who doesn't care whether it's a Golden Calf or Mammon that you put before him, and thinks that coveting and killing and lying and stealing ARE EVIL!  Who would demand the sacrifice of your first born son and punish you (to say nothing of your innocent kin- wives, children, servants, livestock, whatever) ON A BET!

Wrath of God?

But he loves you.  Nope, really.

In addition to smiting your enemies for real estate, he loves you enough that he incarnated some part and yet all of himself into a fully HUMAN being who lived his whole life without sinning at all, Jesus Christ our Saviour.

If you believe in some carefully selected texts of dubious historical provenance called The Gospel (and I know you believe that they're the inerrant Word Of God) Jesus was a teacher with at least 2 strong messages; one of which I'm going to characterize as temporal and social, and the other of which I'm going to characterize as spiritual and to hell with parallelism.

Jesus' Social message was that there are things God can do for you other than smiting your enemies.

He can make you kinder and more compassionate.  He doesn't much care for the greedy and sanctimonious.  He's not that into violence toward others even when provoked.

Jesus' Spiritual message was unmerited favor by grace.

By believing that he was the incarnation of God sent here to spread God's message of love and forgiveness of sin, you can spare yourself the torment of an eternity of existence after death separated from God's presence.  The proof is that Jesus died and was raised from the dead (plus assorted other miracles).

Some Christians think that outward prosperity is an indicator of God's grace.  Some Christians think that sacrifice guarantees prosperity.  Some Christians think that avoidance of sin through conformist behavior is sufficient, but they are mistaken because the OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT GOD who sees the fall of every sparrow can look straight into your heart and mind and knows your EVERY unworthy motivation and secret.  Every lazy self indulgent moment of your stinking existence for which there is not enough incense for the nostrils of GOD!

When was the last time you washed the wounds of a leper?

But even the mildest of Christians contend that evidence of acceptance of the teaching of Jesus is that you strive to emulate his actions.  Heal the sick.  Help the poor.  Turn the other cheek.  Love your neighbor as yourself and forgive them their trespasses.

Little stuff.

Some people are not Christians.  People like me for instance who don't believe in God at all and follow teachers who have something to say about the human condition in practical terms and find other excuses for altruism than fear of punishment.

Can deathbed acceptance forgive a life of sin?  Are you repentant enough?

God Knows!


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  • Vent Hole (5+ / 0-)

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    I am no longer a Christian, but I was raised Methodist and did Sunday School from Pre to Junior High.

    Religiously in that routine sense.

    by ek hornbeck on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:28:43 PM PDT

    • Then.. (9+ / 0-)

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      I am no longer a Christian, but I was raised Methodist and did Sunday School from Pre to Junior High.

      Then I am even more surprised that you would take it upon yourself to make blanket statements about what Christians think or what Christianity teaches, or what "some Christians think, but they are wrong."  

      We don't do that around here.

      It is, in fact, perfectly possible for Christians who regularly attend worship services in their tradition never to have heard a preacher like Rev. Wright. There's no need to imply that they are either lying or ignorant.

      Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est.

      by StarWoman on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:17:25 AM PDT

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      • Really? (4+ / 0-)

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        What do have have wrong theologically?

        What basic tenent of the Christian faith am I misrepresenting?

        by ek hornbeck on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 07:30:42 AM PDT

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        • Are you serious? (7+ / 0-)

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          I go to church every week - and I am a theologically conservative Evangelical to boot - and I cannot figure out what you got right.

          And, I am not even one of those Christians who believe that love trumps all. So let's look just at this early paragraph:

          NOBODY is worthy to sit at the feet of the Lord your God.

          Exactly. Which is why we get to heaven and bask in His presence wrapped in Jesus' righteousness and not our own. We are "in Christ" and therefore we are worthy while we are "in Him" to sit on the very throne Christ occupies in Heaven.

          You were "conceived in sin (disobedience)" which is why SEX IS EVIL!

          Could you please provide a scriptural  reference for sex being evil? Never heard that before.

          There is not a one among that doesn't offend the sight (not to say smell, for you stink of death and corruption) of your vengeful jealous GOD who doesn't care whether it's a Golden Calf or Mammon that you put before him, and thinks that coveting and killing and lying and stealing ARE EVIL!

          Ok, he thinks that. Which is of course why he supplied "a way out" from His wrath.  

          Who would demand the sacrifice of your first born son and punish you (to say nothing of your innocent kin - wives, children, servants, livestock, whatever) ON A BET!

          Well, of course, He did no less. Cute reference to Job BTW - I liked that. My first impression was that you were going with Abraham there until you got to the bet thing. Both Job and Abraham were under the Noahide covenant - there have been a couple of rule changes since then you should catch up on. Particularly, the current covenant in Christ would be an important starting point.

          Now, even my "literalist" ilk understand Job to be a ancient morality play - perhaps even actually performed - dealing with the theological question of the problem of pain; or - why do good things happen to bad people? It is certainly irrelevant under the New Covenant whether Job was a purely fictional device or not - or whether there was a bet with Satan on whether Job would fold up under real pressure. Even if it did happen, all bets with Satan were certainly off at the Cross.

          Overall you just missed the entire tone of almost all branches of Christianity right now. It is certainly not impossible to find a "fire and brimstone" preacher - but in this modern/postmodern age it wouldn't be easy.

          SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

          by JCHFleetguy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:50:21 AM PDT

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          • I did go with Abraham... (3+ / 0-)

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            "sacrifice of your first born son" is all about Issac.

            Job lost everything (including all those not so innocent bystanders likewise conceived in sin).

            "Sex is Evil" is an Augustinian message parroted by many denominations and congegations today and while I think you are correct that it's not biblical they have their citations.

            You agree with my all my points so what's your problem?

            Oh, I don't have the right "tone".

            Impossible to find a fire and brimstone preacher?  I have 3 channels of cable that broadcast them 24/7.

            by ek hornbeck on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:36:43 AM PDT

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            • You cannot go with Abraham though (3+ / 0-)

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              because God demanded the obedience, but not the sacrifice 'at the drop of a hat'. God supplied His own Lamb in the place of Issac.

              Now Job got hammered.

              SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

              by JCHFleetguy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:03:57 PM PDT

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              • Obedience. (3+ / 0-)

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                There you go, original sin.

                Not like I didn't make note of it.

                I'm sure it seemed pretty 'drop of the hat' to Issac.

                by ek hornbeck on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:10:18 PM PDT

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                • Why is obedience tied to original sin? (4+ / 0-)

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                  Certainly it would be interesting to know Issac's reaction; and we may know something of that by the way he grew up.

                  Certainly, he didnt go "my daddy was going to sacrifice me to make God happy, so screw God" did he?

                  Finally, your definition of original sin is certainly outside the bounds of what I believe. First, if you mean by original sin the sin of Adam passed on from generation to generation in some sort of genetic manner through sex - that is a mystery to me theologically.

                  Now, I believe in total depravity with this definition:

                  First, total depravity does not mean that people are entirely bad in the conventional sense. It does not mean that we are not moral/ethical beings, or that we can't love each other, or that we can't experience the finer and higher things that existence allows. As only the most insane would deny, people (Christians and otherrwise) are quite able to live virtuous, productive, loving, and admirable lives.

                  Second, total depravity has nothing to do with particular sins. It's not about feeling bad because you surf the internet on the clock, or because you masturbate or something like that. The small-fry sins are not really the problem. As a consequence, knowledge of one's depravity has nothing to do with sitting around feeling shitty for doing various bad things.

                  The doctrine of total depravity, rather, holds that by virtue of the Fall, human beings are turned entirely away from God. Augustine understands this in terms of love: humans love God with the love due creatures and love creatures with the kind of love due to God. Luther understood it in terms of trust: we will trust anything with our ultimate well-being other than God. Either way, all of our faculties--even our good ones--are no longer directed at the love, trust, and glorification of God but are rather turned inward towards ourselves or outward at other created things. Moreover, our own power cannot, under any circumstances, turn ourselves back to God. People in this state (i.e., everyone) are entirely capable of doing wonderful things, but they are not capable of turning those wonderful things to the love and glory of God.

                  That has nothing to do per se with the original sin of Adam. It also doesn't have anything to do with obedience or disobedience: Abraham's obedience did not have to be for the right reason; or glorify God.

                  SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

                  by JCHFleetguy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:07:26 PM PDT

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                  • How about... (3+ / 0-)

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                    in that common sense way that Wikipedia talks about 'Original Sin'

                    Like other theological terms, the terms "original sin" and "ancestral sin" are not found in either the Old or the New Testament, though the sinfulness of humans is frequently addressed, but the doctrine that the terms express is claimed to be based on passages in the New Testament written by Paul the Apostle, such as Romans 5:12-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:22.

                    In the history of Christianity this condition has been characterized in many ways ranging from something as insignificant as a slight deficiency, or a tendency toward sin yet without collective guilt, referred to as a "sin nature," to something as drastic as total depravity or automatic guilt by all humans through collective guilt.

                    Western Christian tradition regards original sin as the general condition of sinfulness (lack of holiness) into which human beings are born, distinct from any actual sins that a person may or may not commit later. Different views exist as to whether a person bears real guilt or personal responsibility only for actual sins that they personally commit, while being tempted by original sin, or whether they bear actual guilt for the sins of ancestors.

                    Eastern Christian tradition too identifies original sin as physical and spiritual death, the spiritual death being the loss of "the grace of God, which quickened (the soul) with the higher and spiritual life" Others see original sin also as the cause of actual sins: "a bad tree bears bad fruit" (Matthew 7:17, NIV), although, in this view, original and actual sin may be difficult to distinguish.

                    Or do words not mean things and and we can assign them any kind of value we want?

                    Original sin is said to result from the Fall of Man, when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit of a particular tree in the Garden of Eden. This first sin ("the original sin"), an action of the first human beings, is traditionally understood to be the cause of "original sin", the fallen state from which human beings can be saved only by God's grace.

                    So- obedience.

                    by ek hornbeck on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:28:55 AM PDT

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                    • Still really no (4+ / 0-)

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                      certainly Adam and Eve's ability to disobey and eat from a tree they were told not to eat from was a cause of their sin - but what did eating actually do.

                      The word translated "evil" in the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil means, at least in one of its definitions, "the breaking into smaller pieces". The first actions after eating can be taken a couple of ways:

                      • you can make them becoming aware of their nakedness as a sexual issue; or
                      • you can understand it as an issue of self-focus.



                      When they make something to cover themselves they do not do it for each other, they do it for themselves. Certainly, God knew they had eaten of the tree because they were now ashamed of their nakedness - so that sudden awareness of self and desire to hide from the rest of the community was not His creative intent.

                      I think the ongoing sin after the garden is our separation from God and each other - our individualism and desire to serve ourselves at the expense of others. Certainly, Christ made it clear that obedience of His commands showed that we loved Him and God - but nearly universally the commands we were to obey had to do with taking our eyes of ourselves and taking ourselves out of the center of our universe by focusing on loving God and loving people. Time after time it is about diminishing ourselves (becoming last to become first) or becoming poor in spirit, etc. It was about letting go of what was important to us to look at what is important to God and other people. And, it is always about the heart behind the action and not necessarily the action itself.

                      Nearly universally around here from the most theologically conservative, Biblically-focused (moi) to the most theologically liberal we agree that sin is not about the action or the disobedience - it is about the separation from God that causes. The repentance necessary is not necessarily "paying the price" for our disobedience - but turning back to God. The sin was taking our eyes off God and, usually, putting them on ourselves. The solution is putting them back on God. You can frame that as obedience and disobedience - but that horribly lacks in nuance and understanding of the real issue. It, as someone says elsewhere, leads to "works righteousness" - trying to "do" the right thing rather than "be" the right person in right relationship with God.

                      When Paul talks about "sin nature" he talks about it as being an internal struggle between the desires of his own self, and the desires of God:

                      Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual – but I am unspiritual, sold into slavery to sin. 15 For I don’t understand what I am doing. For I do not do what I want – instead, I do what I hate. 16 But if I do what I don’t want, I agree that the law is good. 17 But now it is no longer me doing it, but sin that lives in me. 18 For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For I want to do the good, but I cannot do it. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but I do the very evil I do not want! 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer me doing it but sin that lives in me. 21 So, I find the law that when I want to do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God in my inner being. 23 But I see a different law in my members waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that is in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

                      Again, someone can try to make this something about sex; but Paul used "flesh" and "sin nature" almost interchangably. This is about serving ourselves and our own needs rather than the law of God - which is again those things Christ told us to obey: take our eyes off our self and place it on God and other people.

                      The "Original" sin, and our continuing sin, is about doing what pleases us at the expense of God and others. The disobedience only comes in because the law of God highlights our love of self.

                      SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

                      by JCHFleetguy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:50:56 AM PDT

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          • And BTW- (2+ / 0-)

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            Particularly, the current covenant in Christ would be an important starting point.

            What about-

            Jesus' Social message was that there are things God can do for you other than smiting your enemies.

            He can make you kinder and more compassionate.  He doesn't much care for the greedy and sanctimonious.  He's not that into violence toward others even when provoked.

            Jesus' Spiritual message was unmerited favor by grace.

            By believing that he was the incarnation of God sent here to spread God's message of love and forgiveness of sin, you can spare yourself the torment of an eternity of existence after death separated from God's presence.  The proof is that Jesus died and was raised from the dead (plus assorted other miracles).

            did you not read?

            by ek hornbeck on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:06:34 PM PDT

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            • but you mixed your covenants (2+ / 0-)

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              there is no point in mentioning God incarnate drawing up, and earning, a new set of rules for us - while stressing the old set earlier.

              Christ changed everything - so that suddenly, instead of being the pond scum you start out calling us, we instead have real significance through Christ:

              We are the salt and light of the world: Matthew 5:13-14

              We are a branch of the true vine, a channel of his life: John 15:1,5

              We have been chosen and appointed to bear fruit: John 15:16

              We are personal witnesses of Christ: Acts 1:8

              We are God's temple: 1 Corinthians 3:16

              We are ministers of reconciliation for God: 2 Corinthians 5:18

              We are God's co-worker: 1 Corinthians 3:9

              I am seated with Christ in the heavenly realm: Ephesians 2:6

              We are God's workmanship: Ephesians 2:10

              We may approach God with freedom and confidence: Ephesians 3:12

              I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me: Philippians 4:13

              Christ changed our position vis a vis God.

              SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

              by JCHFleetguy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:28:52 PM PDT

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              • No I didn't. (1+ / 0-)

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                In addition to smiting your enemies for real estate, he loves you enough that he incarnated some part and yet all of himself into a fully HUMAN being who lived his whole life without sinning at all, Jesus Christ our Saviour.

                If you believe in some carefully selected texts of dubious historical provenance called The Gospel (and I know you believe that they're the inerrant Word Of God) Jesus was a teacher with at least 2 strong messages; one of which I'm going to characterize as temporal and social, and the other of which I'm going to characterize as spiritual and to hell with parallelism.

                Maybe if I hung a big sign on it saying-

                I'm talking about the New Testament Now!

                that would be sufficient.

                by ek hornbeck on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:03:16 AM PDT

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                • Maybe (2+ / 0-)

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                  but I wouldn't have mentioned Old Testament relationships at all.

                  God's wrath is "on hold" IMO through the Age of Grace. I believe it is eventually coming - but not for awhile.

                  As my wife says, I am happy I wasn't born in Old Testament times - I would probably be toast by now.

                  SP's Bible in a Year: http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2005/10/19/105536/72

                  by JCHFleetguy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:13:36 AM PDT

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        • Well, for starters... (7+ / 0-)

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          If you were a United Methodist, I have no clue where you got the idea that SEX IS EVIL!, because this

          We recognize that sexuality is God's good gift to all persons. We believe persons may be fully human only when that gift is acknowledged and affirmed by themselves, the church, and society. We call all persons to the disciplined, responsible fulfillment of themselves, others, and society in the stewardship of this gift. We also recognize our limited understanding of this complex gift and encourage the medical, theological, and social science disciplines to combine in a determined effort to understand human sexuality more completely. We call the Church to take the leadership role in bringing together these disciplines to address this most complex issue. Further, within the context of our understanding of this gift of God, we recognize that God challenges us to find responsible, committed, and loving forms of expression.  We recognize that sexuality is God's good gift to all persons. We believe persons may be fully human only when that gift is acknowledged and affirmed by themselves, the church, and society. We call all persons to the disciplined, responsible fulfillment of themselves, others, and society in the stewardship of this gift. We also recognize our limited understanding of this complex gift and encourage the medical, theological, and social science disciplines to combine in a determined effort to understand human sexuality more completely. We call the Church to take the leadership role in bringing together these disciplines to address this most complex issue. Further, within the context of our understanding of this gift of God, we recognize that God challenges us to find responsible, committed, and loving forms of expression.From the Book of Discipline

          is the starting point for reflection on sexual ethics in the United Methodist Church.

          And then there's full-length biblical and theological arguments affirming the basic goodness of sexuality:
          Phyllis Trible, God and the Rhetoric of Sexuality
          James Nelson, Embodiment: An Approach to Sexuality and Christian Theology

          The Wine of Youth ferments this night in the veins of God - Alfred de Musset.

          by dirkster42 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:59:41 AM PDT

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        • Oh, and this is WAY WAY WAY off (7+ / 0-)

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          People like me for instance who don't believe in God at all and follow teachers who have something to say about the human condition in practical terms and find other excuses for altruism than fear of punishment.

          Altruism in Christian spirituality isn't something you need an "excuse" for - it's the outgrowth of God's love working through you.  If you're looking for an "excuse" to care for your neighbor, you're stuck in "works righteousness," instead of justification by faith.

          Yeah, if you got that one wrong theologically, everything else is going to be skewed to the point of surrealism.

          The Wine of Youth ferments this night in the veins of God - Alfred de Musset.

          by dirkster42 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:20:51 AM PDT

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        • That would be... (7+ / 0-)

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          What do have have wrong theologically?

          That would be making blanket statements about what Christians think or what Christianity teaches.

          You can't get it right theologically with blanket statements about Christianity. There are too many diverse traditions.

          The best you can do is stuff like "Jesus was the son of God", but as soon as you start talking about what that means, you once again can't get it right theologically across the board.

          Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est.

          by StarWoman on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 07:34:19 PM PDT

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          • So you can believe anything? (0 / 0)

            Shoot, I kinda thought you were bound at least by the Nicean Creed (325 CE)-

            We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.

            And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;

            by whom all things were made [both in heaven and on earth];

            who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;

            he suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;

            from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

            by ek hornbeck on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:18:38 AM PDT

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            • Fuck the Council of Nicea, what I follow ... (2+ / 0-)

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              ... is the core tenet : Love God, and your neighbor as yourself.

              But, I'm not entirely Christian - too much aversion to "power-over" social structures and Paganism appeals to my Wild Man side - so I feel no compunction whatsoever against pelting you with TR's just because you have a nasty attitude.

              by The Werewolf Prophet on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:51:19 AM PDT

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            • The first several ecumenical councils (2+ / 0-)

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              The first several ecumenical councils are accepted as valid by most, but not all, Christian traditions.

              The radical reformers, such as Sebastian Franck, believed that the church had been fundamentally corrupted by its association with Constantine and the Roman Empire, and they rejected any doctrines formulated after apostolic times. (Alister McGrath, Christian Theology: An Introduction, 4th edition, p400).

              Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est.

              by StarWoman on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:26:52 AM PDT

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            • what version of the Creed? (2+ / 0-)

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              There's a little clause in there that Eastern and Western Christianity have argued over lots.

              Guess you didn't read the section of that Wiki about the Filioque controversy, huh?

              by reahti on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:35:03 PM PDT

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    • The problems I have with organized religion (4+ / 0-)

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      didn't originate in Methodist Sunday School. Not much hellfire taught there.  My criticism of it now is that they didn't teach the prophets  properly, & so didn't connect to the great social missions of yankee Methodism. They didn't give me enough reason to be  a Methodist.

      "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx http://wfmu.org/playlists/RX

      by Asbury Park on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:50:03 AM PDT

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      • Do I trash talk Methodism here? (0 / 0)

        Methodism has 2 distinct movements in it's history.

        First is fundamentalist religious practice (the Method).

        The second is a "social justice" message rooted in African American evangelism and later abolitionist sentiment.

        by ek hornbeck on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:57:07 AM PDT

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        • Actually, they're *both* rooted in John Wesley, (3+ / 1-)

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          the founder of Methodism.

          The Wine of Youth ferments this night in the veins of God - Alfred de Musset.

          by dirkster42 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:00:26 AM PDT

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        • The Method (4+ / 0-)

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          is 18th Century pietism, which should not be understood in the sense of  American fundamentalism. It was joined from the beginning to social mission. In Wesleyanism  they are inseparable & treated as matters of emphasis rather than distinct movements. Where you find one,  you will always find the other. Even in the American South 100  years ago, some forms of Wesleyan pentecostalism had women preachers & racially integrated tent meetings. I apologize for  the lecture.

          "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx http://wfmu.org/playlists/RX

          by Asbury Park on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:48:45 AM PDT

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          • The only sense... (2+ / 0-)

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            in which I raise Methodism at all is as a testament to my personal religious experience.

            In that personal experience I attended 2 different congregations.  The urban one was all about social justice.  The suburban one was indistinguishable from a Southern Baptist/Evangelical prayer meeting.

            And yes, I have attended enough of those too to make that comparison.

            by ek hornbeck on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:58:59 AM PDT

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  • Chicken Oreganato (10+ / 0-)

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    7 or 8 pieces of dark meat chicken pieces
    1 Tbsp oregano
    .25 tsp fresh ground black pepper
    Squeeze of lemon juice
    .25 cup olive oil (I use half this!)

    Preheat oven to 450 degrees.
    Lightly-oil a baking pan.
    Wash and pat chicken dry.
    Mix oregano and pepper in a small bowl and rub over chicken.
    Whisk together lemon and oil.
    Drizzle half of the lemon/oil mixture over chicken
    Bake for 20 minutes.
    Turn over, drizzle the rest of the oil mixture over, and bake for another twenty minutes.

    ...at this point, I usually turn them over and then bake for another twenty minutes to make sure they're done and the tops are nice and crispy--especially when done in the convection oven.

    Goes great with couscous and a greek salad!

    Doug.

    Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

    by risasperson on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:40:44 AM PDT