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A Ceasefire in the Religious Cultural Wars?

Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:30:12 AM PDT

In what I can only feel is a very encouraging development, a group of Conservative Christian leaders will be calling next week for the cessation of hostilities, in using religion and faith to bludgeon one another silly. Could this be the ceasefire in the looooong running political, spiritual and cultural wars we've all been waiting/hoping for? Time will tell. Key players have yet to get onboard.

However, I totally agree with this initiative regarding, it's long past time that we all (that definitely includes me) be a whole lot more concerned with the freakin logs in our own eyes and not be so damn worried and bend out of shape over the slivers in our neighbors. And here I thought I'd never agree with anyone or anything coming from the Religious Right. Seeesh, what's next, lions laying down with lambs?

Evangelicals say faith is now too political
By RACHEL ZOLL AND ERIC GORSKI

Conservative Christian leaders who believe the word "evangelical" has lost its religious meaning plan to release a starkly self-critical document saying the movement has become too political and has diminished the Gospel through its approach to the culture wars.

The statement, called "An Evangelical Manifesto," condemns Christians on the right and left for "using faith" to express political views without regard to the truth of the Bible, according to a draft of the document obtained Friday by The Associated Press.

"That way faith loses its independence, Christians become `useful idiots' for one political party or another, and the Christian faith becomes an ideology," according to the draft.

The declaration, scheduled to be released Wednesday in Washington, encourages Christians to be politically engaged and uphold teachings such as traditional marriage. But the drafters say evangelicals have often expressed "truth without love," helping create a backlash against religion during a "generation of culture warring."

"All too often we have attacked the evils and injustices of others," they wrote, "while we have condoned our own sins." They argue, "we must reform our own behavior."

The document is the latest chapter in the debate among conservative Christians about their role in public life. Most veteran leaders believe the focus should remain on abortion and marriage, while other evangelicals — especially in the younger generation — are pushing for a broader agenda. The manifesto sides with those seeking a wide-range of concerns beyond "single-issue politics."

Among the signers of the manifesto are Os Guiness, a well-known evangelical author and speaker, and Richard Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary, a leading evangelical school in Pasadena, Calif. Organizers declined to comment until the final document is released.

They say more than 80 evangelicals have signed the statement, although only a few names have been released. A. Larry Ross, spokesman for the authors, said the theologicans and Christian leaders involved are seeking to "go back to the root theological meaning of the term evangelical."

Some champions of traditional culture war issues are not among the supporters.

Richard Land, head of the public policy arm for the Southern Baptist Convention, said through a spokeswoman that he has not seen the document and was not asked to sign it.

James Dobson, the influential founder of Focus on the Family, a Christian group in Colorado Springs, Colo., did not sign the document, said Gary Schneeberger, a Dobson spokesman. Schneeberger would not say whether Dobson had read the manifesto or had been asked to sign on.

Phil Burress, an Ohio activist who networks with national evangelical leaders, said that if high-profile evangelical leaders such as Dobson and Land don't support the document, "it's like throwing a pebble in the ocean" and will carry no weight.

But the drafters hope they can start a movement among evangelicals to reflect and act on the document. "We must find a new understanding of our place in public life," the drafters wrote.

(my emphasis)

I can honestly say, this Progressive Christian Leftist feels personally inspired to join with those of what appears to be an emerging, somewhat progressive, Christian Right subsect (I never knew there was such a thing) in doing my part to help push this cause of their's forward. Dobson, et al can't like being challenged and spoken to like this, by dissenters in their midst, truth to power. Having control over his Jesus message being taken on by a bunch of insurgents, you got to love it. I got a feeling he hates it. I really applaud this "Evangelical Manifesto" group of conservative Christians, for their attempt to bring a little more peace, love and understanding back into the dealings we have with one another. At the very least I think it points to the continued splintering and division we've already seen taking place within the once monolithicly powerful Religious Right. Hopefully it'll lead to further peace and goodwill over what I feel has become a a very destructive and blasphemous use of religion.

By all sides.  

Give peace a chance and amazing things will happen.



... for blessed are the peacemakers.


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  • I wouldn't count on it. (4+ / 0-)

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    Some of these clowns are still fighting the 30 years war.  Just enjoy the respite.

    This time, can we elect a President? Please, not another clown.

    by grada3784 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:47:39 AM PDT

    • Yes, I agree grada3784... (6+ / 0-)

      that many will probably never convert their swords into plowshares, but I think it's really cool to see some wishing to change the insanity of using religion, particularly the teachings of Jesus, to beat each other up with. It's a bad, stupid habit I have myself.

      I'll take whatever small signs of hope there are out there.

      • It all depends on your flavor of Jesus. NT (1+ / 0-)

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        This time, can we elect a President? Please, not another clown.

        by grada3784 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:02:34 AM PDT

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        • As much as I... (4+ / 0-)

          do have my own favorite and very delicious flavor of Jesus, my own personal Jesus, sort of speak...

          ......................

          ... a part of me knows that Jesus transcends flavors or distinctions. Even my own. Delicious as I think that may be. He's much bigger. A enigma, wrapped in a parable, covered in secret sause. Yet, inside and accessible to all. In him .... There is no Jew or Greek, servant or free, male or female, no conservative, no liberal: there's a oneness that transcends and transforms everything.

          Just because many have botched the handling of his message, doesn't mean it not real. Keep seeking.

          • No matter what the flavor, there'll be (2+ / 0-)

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            someone ready to kill in His name.  Or maybe willing to love someone to death.

            As for the other:

            In him .... There is no Jew or Greek, servant or free, male or female, no conservative, no liberal: there's a oneness that transcends and transforms everything.

            It seems we botch that big time.  It used to be and may be still that church service hour was the most segregated in American life.  The male/female bit depends on whether the women open their mouths or not.  And for all too many, Jesus not only doesn't transcend sexuality and politics, He deepens the divide.

            This time, can we elect a President? Please, not another clown.

            by grada3784 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:47:38 AM PDT

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  • sure, now that the tide is turning (12+ / 0-)

    it's time for "all sides" to avoid what the far right has spent the last 30 years doing...

    Yes, we should promote peace, love, and understanding.  I'm really not aware of anyone on the "left" who has ever argued otherwise.  Yes there are some on "the left" who come to that position due to their faith - but I know of no one who says that everyone else must, nor that those who don't are evil.  Mistaken perhaps, but not evil. Glad to see some on the right are catching on. I only hope it's deeply sincere.

    The more of them who join Wallis, etc in the center and realize that there are issues beyond abortion and teh gayz the better.

    but who on "the left" has been acting like Dobson and Land?  

    sorry, I'm all for building bridges and working together, and my angst is fueled by my glbt brothers and sisters once again being told they are "incompatible" - but these false equivalencies drive me nuts.

    when one side has been using a bat and the "other" "side" has been saying stop for a decade or more - a resolution saying both sides should refrain from using bats really seems to overlook the obvious.  Yes, probably politically necessary and yes the solution is NOT to have the "left" become similarly dominant as the right has been, so I suppose some feel good centrist language works but gah...

    how about we just affirmatively focus on future instead of pretending that "everybody did it" in the past...

    I suppose I should just welcome their statement as more support for Wallis type engagement and be happy.

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    by its simple IF you ignore the complexity on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:54:22 AM PDT

    • I understand your feelings completely, (6+ / 0-)

      its simple IF you ignore the complexity.

      I can only speak for myself in acknowledging slipping into anger and even hate sometimes in my dealings with those from the other side over the tactics used by the them all these years. A deep soul-eating desire on my part to return in kind the offensives I've felt at their actions has consumed me at times. But I realize that a eye for a eye gets me nothing except blindness. Seeing now, what I hope is the same growing realization from some of them, is reason for hope I believe.

      I applaud any on the Religious Right that genuinely feel the need to reject the old ways of their movement. It seems to be only a small group of them now, but by reaching out in supporting them hopefully we can help them marginalize the influence of those who refuse to change. It's a looong uphill effort, but it's a start. How they go about doesn't concern me as much as the fact that at least some of them are starting to do it.

      Hey, like I said, I'll take whatever small victories there may be in the insanity of these religious/cultural wars.

      I'll never change what I believe in, that isn't what for me this is all about. For me it's about how I treat my enemies... and they me. If they're willing to bring a little more peace, love and understanding to the proceedings, I can up my offerings too.

      • facts and frames (2+ / 0-)

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        Feelings are good, but it is the assumptions that are off base.  'its simple IF you ignore the complexity' has a good point.  This is the same old, same old lie.

        when one side has been using a bat and the "other" "side" has been saying stop for a decade or more - a resolution saying both sides should refrain from using bats really seems to overlook the obvious.

        The obvious being that this particular evangelical approach still denies the facts.  To use the 'bats analogy', for the most part the left did not use bats. Not using bats, may be good or bad but the left did not use them. Either way, false equivalences are a form of lying.  This is the same old lie. Why should we trust it?

        • I really hate to quote Ronald Reagan... (0 / 0)

          but this one does manage to sum up my approach.

          "Trust, but Verify."

          • trust? (2+ / 0-)

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            Thanks for a good laugh this morning.  I would have trouble quoting Ronald Reagan myself.  

            From my perspective, the verification did not happen.  With the same false framing (They claim that liberals used bats too), their claim was not verified.  This claim is false. Since the claim has been proven false, in my opinion, trusting these Conservative Christian leaders is not wise. They are misrepresenting us to suit their own purposes.

            • As I said earlier.... (0 / 0)

              I can only speak for myself. Have I used a bat (metaphorically speaking) to try and bludgeon those I disagree with on the Religious Right. You bet. Did it get me anywhere? Not as near as I can tell. Personally, I've come to realize that I can probably accomplish much more by putting the bat down and dealing with my enemies on the Right in a manner that reflects better those spiritual qualities I wish to emulate in Christ.

              If they on the Right want to come along too, I'm open and welcoming to that. If they aren't, I'm going that way anyways. The Hell with them.

              • More power to you! (0 / 0)

                I never tried to use the bat and neither did my friends, that I know of.  It just seemed useless. On the other hand, our arguements did not work either.  sigh...  My experiences keep me skeptical.

                More power to you, for keeping a positive attitude. It is inspiring.  And, heck, God/ess works in stranger ways than this!

                Great article and keep up the good work.

  • "progressive Christian Right" (4+ / 0-)

    is an oxymoron. One  would have to define "Christian Right" as something other than a political term. I think we need to identify the Christian Right as socially & politically conservative  in combination with conservative religious beliefs. We can play with "evangelical."

    "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx http://wfmu.org/playlists/RX

    by Asbury Park on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:08:55 AM PDT

    • I can only view... (4+ / 0-)

      this effort by some on the Christian Right, to step back from being "useful idiots" to a political cause as a "progressive" move on their part.

      Sure it's a bit oxymoronic on my part to blend the two terms. I was simply trying to acknowledge in a positive way a move by them that all progressives I feel can and should applaud.

  • UnChristian (6+ / 0-)

    I am halfway through unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks about Christianity... and Why It Matters. Flawed book with some excellent points. I'll do a review later.

    It is clear that anyone under 30 has had enough of the political use of religion. It gives all religion a bad name. It keeps people from hearing religious voices without an overlay that says - republican/antigay/intolerant.

    No wonder that most religious leaders are tired of being used and having their "brand" devalued by the jackasses who appear on TV.

    Just compare the good press that the Pope got (in general) with the impact of Wm. Donohue when he appears on TV and speaks for all Catholics.

    Doesn't mean that these churches are suddenly going to get all warm and fuzzy about gay marriage and abortion, but getting all hostile is unChristian and doesn't work.

  • I was taught long ago (5+ / 0-)

    That when you are dealing with authoritarian types it is always better to let them think they came up with the good idea, even if you had been saying it all along.

    Obviously the right is finding their tactics less effective, so if they want to "think" that these new tactics are their idea, so be it.  We don't need their affirmation that WE were right all along.  This is not meant as a "ha ha I told you so" kind of thing, simply a recognition that, while there are differences, we understood that fighting each other was non productive. Now the Christians of differing viewpoints can take on, together, the common enemy.

    We are not called out of this world but deeper into it........ Robin Myers

    by gbgasser on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:45:46 PM PDT

    • Exactly gbgasser... (1+ / 0-)

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      spiritual jujitsu. Allowing negative energy to defeat itself by denying it power. They feel so good about that happening, they never know what hit them until it's too late. Before they know it they've left the dark side behind.

      That's the hope here anyways.

      Baby steps have been taken.

    • Interesting point... (3+ / 0-)

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      but who is the common enemy?

      Many a thief is a better man than many a clergyman, and miles nearer to the gate of the kingdom. - George MacDonald

      by vesticular on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:55:29 PM PDT

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      • As always, the common enemy is... (3+ / 0-)

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        hate, intolerance, prejudice, greed, injustice, war, etc. You know, the usual suspects.

        • Are you sure? (1+ / 0-)

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          Because I suspect  a lot of these evangelicals would say the common enemy is Islam.

          Montani semper liberi

          by Sadie Baker on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:04:21 AM PDT

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          • thus, to my reading anyway, revealing (2+ / 0-)

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            their hate, intolerance, prejudice, greed, and embrace of injustice and war.  Not that they don't have their counterparts among islamist.

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            by its simple IF you ignore the complexity on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:29:16 AM PDT

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          • I think those (1+ / 0-)

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            that see Islam as their enemy do so out of hate, intolerance, prejudice, greed, injustice, war, etc.

            You know, the usual suspects. They're universal trouble makers. Many, many, many sucumb to their influence. All religions and all peoples are plagued by them. Hate, intolerance, prejudice, greed, injustice, war, etc. They're the common enemies of all.

            To Hell with them.

          • And a few others would say (1+ / 0-)

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            Democrats and/or liberals.  They see their greatest enemy as being the enemy 'within'.
            I know so many evangelicals who have conflated religion and politics to the point where they can no return.  They believe you have to be a Republican to be a good Christian and a (right kind of) Christian to be a true American.

            That said, I wonder how much of this is simply the beginning of a recognition that power may be on another track and they need to hop on board the next train to Infulence City.

            • Sure lam2b2g... (2+ / 0-)

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              some of this conversion we see taking place within elements of the Religious Right very well could be self-serving.

              I wonder how much of this is simply the beginning of a recognition that power may be on another track and they need to hop on board the next train to Infulence City.

              However, I think much of it is genuine. Efforts by goups like Green Evangelicals I believe are heartfelt and real. Hopefully we're seeing another manifestation of this growing trend with these "Manifesto Christians.'

              Hopefully.

              • I have to agree (1+ / 0-)

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                with what you said about the Green Evangelicals.  And there are many other groups out there that fit into a similiar catagory.  But I don't always think of such groups as "conservative Christians" (and perhaps I am wrong to do so). Most folks who I know who identify themselves as "conservative Christians" are making a political rather than theological distinction...even if they don't realize it.

                • True... (0 / 0)

                  probably most Green Evangelicals weren't conservative to begin with, but I still don't think you would've seen groups like their's or these more conservative "Manifesto Christians" coming out say, 5-6 years ago and doing their thing. The Right used to dominated all in terms of politics, message and direction. That's no longer the case. Times have changed. Many like the greens, the manifestoes and others are striking out in their own direction. The splintering of the Religious Right continues. Last one out, turn off the lights.

                  It's a beautiful thing.

      • In political realm (2+ / 0-)

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        The common enemy is corporatism, an irresponsible MSM, the Military/Industrial complex, measuring our economies success by the success of the stock market,
        a public discourse that has deteriorated to the level of 6th grade, a complete lack of accountability by politicians, a health care financing system that CANNOT provide health care for enough people, a constitution that is being gutted  .......

        The list is long but these are things that all concerned citizens can and WILL fight against.

        We are not called out of this world but deeper into it........ Robin Myers

        by gbgasser on Sun May 04, 2008 at 05:19:01 AM PDT

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  • I've been hearing about (5+ / 0-)

    "Red Letter Christians" quite a lot lately. I wonder if these two things have any connection?

    I welcome a cease-fire (so to speak) but have to wonder if all religions are included in this largesse. My inner cynic can't help itself.

    Forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long to play with your hair. ~~ Kahlil Gibran

    by Kassandra on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:06:17 PM PDT

    • It's up to us.... (1+ / 0-)

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      to continually become the peace we wish to see. If they haven't expanded the ceasefire at least they taken some steps in the right (left?) direction. We need to help them keep the ball rolling.

      Peace with all religions and peoples of good faith.

      • I doubt they want (5+ / 0-)

        peace with Jews, pagans, atheists or Muslims. Remember these people use the word "outreach" as a euphemism for prosletyzing.

        Montani semper liberi

        by Sadie Baker on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:07:32 AM PDT

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        • I think it indicates (3+ / 0-)

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          there's some movement on their part, a opening there with these people that should be explored. It's a start. Today peace with fellow Christians, tomorrow peace with all peoples. It's what many Christians are looking for. It's what many people are looking for.

          If these "manifesto" Christians truly are coming around to this way of thinking, it'll be great. If prosletyzing enters the mix, it'll fail.

          Ultimately though, it's up to us. Jews, pagans, atheists, Muslims, Natives, Christians, etc. We all, no matter our persuasion, have to build those bridges over the divides.

          Regardless of what others may be up to.

          • I look at my brothers and sisters (2+ / 0-)

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            in Christ the same way I do my biological brothers and sisters. Track records count for something. I don't loan money to the one who never paid me back $200 ten years ago.

            Words are nice but I'd like to see a little action before I jump on the kumbaya bandwagon. If the "manifesto evangelicals" behave differently from here on out then halleluiah, bring on the fatted calf. But if they keep on acting the way they've been acting for the past several decades, no thanks.

            Montani semper liberi

            by Sadie Baker on Sun May 04, 2008 at 10:37:49 AM PDT

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  • The thing is (1+ / 0-)

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    I think much of the impetus for this change of direction is coming from the young people.

    People under 25 have a much different paradigm than their parents and grandparents. If their is one positive that can come out of our "over doting", "make your kid happy at all costs" type of culture, maybe its that when this kid starts to be concerned with his environment (because he loves the cuddly little polar bears and penguins) or really wants to make sure all people have enough to eat, his parents and grandparents are gonna say "You're right sweetie, those are important things".  How many grandparents are gonna dismiss their grandchild as a left wing nut job??

    Today in church our children led the entire service. The "sermons" were delivered in about 6 parts by different children.  One of the children prayed at the end of his sermon and asked that God watch out for the earth and to help us  do something about the warming that was hurting the polar bears and penguins.  The guy next to me gave a Tiger Woods fist pump when he said that.

    It is a different world and eventually even the stubborn WILL wake up to it.

    We are not called out of this world but deeper into it........ Robin Myers

    by gbgasser on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:51:38 AM PDT

  • It's just words to me (2+ / 0-)

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    I've seen how they can avoid following the words of their own god. How can I trust them to follow the words of mere humans?

    Until I see them changing, I'm going to stick to my guns.

    Love the fundamentalist, hate the fundamentalism.

    by Icelander on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:48:46 AM PDT

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