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Clinton Sheds Catholic Voters

Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:50:51 PM PDT

Whoops. The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Hillary Clinton lost Catholic votes between Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina:

In Pennsylvania, Sen. Clinton beat Sen. Barack Obama by 40 points among Catholics. In Indiana, Sen. Obama sliced that deficit in half, earning 41% of the Catholic vote to Sen. Clinton's 59%. And in North Carolina Sen. Clinton won among Catholics by a scant seven points.

All sorts of reasons are advanced for this shift, most of which are more or less stupid. (Honestly, a "nun theory"?) The one I find persuasive is that Pennsylvania Catholics are a little more downscale than those in Indiana or particularly North Carolina. Clinton apparently resonates with the culturally conservative white working class - the union folks, who skew Catholic. But Obama's learning how to reach out to them, and as things go along, the rationale for a Clinton campaign keeps dropping, which has to hurt her with all the various demographics.

As it stands, she'll soon be forced out of the race anyway, but this is just one more piece of data suggested that her "electability" narrative is a crock.

I actually thought this was way more interesting:

In a recent survey of 19 states that have held a presidential primary this year, 63% of Catholics identified themselves as Democrats, compared with 37% for Republicans, a sharp increase from 2005 when 42% of Catholics identified themselves as Democrats. One of every four voters in the U.S. is Catholic.

Catholics have been a swing vote since the early 70's, and it looks like they're swinging right back into the Democratic camp. This does not bode well for the GOP: even a temporary shift in Catholic sentiment could be enough to establish the generational realignment that seems to be in the offing these days. As for John McCain: he needs to hold Texas and Florida and pick off at least one of the heavily Catholic Rust Belt states - Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, or Wisconsin - to have any, erm, prayer of taking the election.

Whoops.

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Tags: Hillary Clinton, 2008 Presidential, Catholics (all tags)

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  • Cookie Jar (6+ / 0-)

    Gotta go with some kind of drop cookies, what with all the "whoopsies."

  • I've never understood this (3+ / 0-)

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    grada3784, Thirst, Quiet

    Clinton apparently resonates with the culturally conservative white working class - the union folks, who skew Catholic.

    What do they have in common with an Ivy-league educated woman who can loan her campaign over $11 million?

    Love the fundamentalist, hate the fundamentalism.

    by Icelander on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:17:57 PM PDT

  • Michigan Catholic Dem here (2+ / 0-)

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    Thirst, Quiet
    Never considered Hillary.

    It's kind of mind-boggling to hear all these people talk about how abortion is supposedly the only issue for Catholics to be concerned about. Many of them seem to support candidates and policies which, IMO, don't do much in the way of actually ending abortion.

  • I wonder how the numbers (1+ / 0-)

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    Thirst

    break down between Obama and Clinton of Catholic voters who attend mass regularly and Catholics who attend mass infrequently.

           Funny that the States with the highest % of Catholics per population tend to be blue or purple states.
               
           State Number Percent
    Rhode Island 633,427 63.12%
    Massachusetts 2,961,359 49.22
    Connecticut 1,374,747 41.82
    New Jersey 3,189,315 41.26
    New York 7,280,488 40.47
    Louisiana 1,369,154 32.44
    Wisconsin 1,554,278 31.77
    Illinois 3,611,033 31.59
    Pennsylvania 3,675,250 30.93
    New Mexico 467,356 30.85

    The only state that starts off in the McCain column is Lousiana. I find it difficult that Catholic voters are going to vote against their economic interests in 2008. I think Obama will do well in tapping the Catholic interest in the commmon and public good.

    "The only thing left is the simplicity of the soul in God" Thomas Merton

    by Quiet on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:16:25 PM PDT

  • Catholic voters (3+ / 0-)

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    make a living voting against their economic interest. And they should. Voting only in your own interest isn't very faithful citizenship.

    Actually, few Catholics listen to the bishops about political matters, whether conservative or progressive. Republican Catholics put pro-life ahead of any consideration. Democratic Catholics find social concerns at the heart of the Gospel.  Independent Catholics can be convinced to move either way. Neither view puts dollars in your pocket.

    I think EJ Dionne's Souled Out has the best view of Catholics and their dilemma.

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